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coaching??i think you need it more man...but seriously..ur making urself look dumb dude...music is shit if it isnt fun..i would rather not be in any band if it was all serious and no fun..thats y hcl is so fun to be in..and its not like we're blink 182 or those stupid pop punk bands who have to sound perfect..our music sounds better with edge and emotion..and to us standing around doesnt show how we really feel about the music..and i dont know what fans ur band has..but if they just stand around that shows that they might be closed minded..and maybe not like the music..moving around is a wayto show you like the music..to me a croud with crossed arms sucks..just my opinion..and ur entitled to urs..but y dont you come check us out before you make sum assumptions..

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I never was into mosh pits or "dancing" so I am never going to agree with you, but my whole life music has been something I loved. And where does it say anything about "having fun" in your lyrics? Maybe it does, I havent read them, but it doesn't sound like it should be about fun times. I wasn't trying to piss anyone off, I was just saying, a lot of bands lose sight of the music, and it DOES turn away some of your fans. I know your going to say "I don't want those kinds of fans anyways" but personally I like fans who want to hear what I have to say, and not just vent. We all know that all of us are right, for some people the shows are about having fun, for some they are about the music. I am just trying to say, I found out through that recording that you guys have amazing songs, and I think it's kind of sad that I never listened to you till now. And yeah, coaching would be fun, we'll do a show some time, you help us with presence,we'll help you with sound, and in the end, maybe we'll all learn a little. maybe not?

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props. we here you ron, but if you want to see heartcrosslove with less stage presence and more presice music, i suggest standing at home with your arms crossed watching our CD spin around in your favorite cd player.

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I agree with kenny. Thats why the Vibe shows are starting to suck now cuz all they'll let you do is stand there with your arms crossed. What Life Makes Us got banned from the vibe for "inciting violence." so the point of this whole thing is that stage presence is more than half of a live show. Thats why there is practice, to make the music perfect befor the show. i dont know about you but if you went to the show last saturday and were there for heart cross love, you know a pit broke out. Thats what makes a show fun is when the band gets the crowd involved. That is why when i was in Rise To Fall (now bleeding december) i tried to mosh WITH the crowd and get them involved. SO ronny boy.....GET THE CROWD INVOLVED!!! :D

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Hey Ron.......the music means SHIT when you're not having fun. try it. put the "i must be perfect and NOT mess up my music" attitude to the side and put on your fucking DANCING shoes. i dunno about you, but i have more fun dancing WITH bands that i like then standing still with my arms crossed listening to "perfect" music :)

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Hm, sounds like you still need to WORK ON YOUR FUCKING LIVE SHOW! But those mp3's are THE SHIT anda half. I must say, I have new respect for you men and I am sorry for everything negative I ever had to say... Accept that you need a better live show, it's about the music, not the stage presence, worry about sound first! -Ron of No Known Cure.